Thoughts from a pastor who understands himself to be classically Wesleyan in theology and who embraces a Wesleyan/Anglican view of liturgy and the sacraments.
Showing posts with label Women's Orders. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Women's Orders. Show all posts
Wednesday, November 11, 2020
Saturday, September 9, 2017
Women in Holy Orders
From the beginning, the ACNA determined to put forth a study of this matter. Recently, the study concluded and presented its findings to the bishops, and the bishops met together this past week in order to address where the church stood on this matter at this time. Now, if the ACNA were to change its position in any fashion, it would take more than the word of the bishops. (Of course, all of the bishops could have decided to refrain from ordaining women, and that would have, for all practical purposes, changed the position, though not dogmatically so.)
Not surprisingly, the bishops decided to continue as they have since the beginning. Bishops who do not believe that women should be ordained will not ordain women and not have them serve as priests within their diocese. Those who believe that women should be ordained, will continue to ordain women to the priesthood. Additionally, it was determined that women would be barred from serving as bishops in the ACNA.
You can read the statement, here.
Frankly, as I've stated elsewhere, I'm not sure what else they could have done if their goal was to keep the ACNA together. Nor am I sure that this decision will accomplish this in the long run. I have been told that those who oppose women in Holy Orders out number those who are in favor of ordaining women as priests. Thus, if they were to try to make this practice province wide, they would likely not have enough votes to do so, and if they were able to, many would leave (all of the REC and others). On the other hand, if they were to entirely bar women from being ordained, a good section of the ACNA (and that section, I am told, that is growing) would leave. So, as long as they can live together with this decision, they hope to stay together.
My hope in this is that those who favor women's orders will be able to live with such passion and conviction for the orthodox faith, that those who are opposed to it will eventually find their fears allayed. My hope is also that those who favor women's orders will continue to grow at such a rate that they become the vast majority within the province. (Of course, if this happens, I wouldn't be surprised if those who are opposed would eventually split.)
At best, this is a compromised position. I am thankful that my own denomination is in a different place on this matter. In contrast to the episcopal statement by the ACNA college of bishops, listen to the following introduction by an episcopal leader in the Church of the Nazarene.
Below is a picture of the Board of General Superintendents (i.e., Bishops) for the Church of the Nazarene, taken at this Summer's General Assembly. While I would prefer that they be in purple (or at least clericals!), I am thankful for my global denomination's diversity reflected in our BGS.
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(Now, I wouldn't be surprised if, among the comments I may receive, there would be some about how women may preach but cannot be priests since there is a difference between the role of the prophet and that of the priest. Let me just request that, if you are so inclined to comment, please demonstrate this distinction by pointing to support from the New Testament's understanding of the Christian priesthood. Thank you, in advance.)
Wednesday, September 9, 2015
The Role of Women in Ministry in the Church of the Nazarene
It is a debate in some parts of Christ's Church. In other parts of the Church, it is settled; some on one side, and others on the other side. It is the question of women in holy orders.
Rome and Constantinople have said that the presbyterate is for men only. The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, and the Wisconsin Synod, along with Southern Baptists are very "Roman Catholic" on this matter (Sorry, I couldn't help it!). They agree with the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.
One church that I have a great appreciation and affinity toward, the Anglican Church in North America, is in the midst of an ongoing discernment period, as to whether they will ordain women, or not, and, if so, to what orders. Currently, there are parts of the ACNA that do not ordain women; parts that ordain them to the diaconate, only; and, parts that ordain them to the presbyterate. Nowhere in the ACNA do women serve in the episcopate.
However, those churches in the Wesleyan-holiness tradition have settled that question, long ago. In fact, even main-line Methodism eventually came to agree, wholeheartedly. My denomination, the Church of the Nazarene, has ordained women since even before our official denominational organization. That is, all of our primary parent churches ordained women from the beginning.
Recently, one of our general superintendents presented a video in which he provides a very important episcopal reminder about the role of women in ministry in the Church of the Nazarene. I encourage you to watch this video by the Rev'd. Dr. Jesse C. Middendorf, general superintendent, emeritus.
Jesse Midenddorf on acceptability of women in ministry from Church of the Nazarene on Vimeo.
Rome and Constantinople have said that the presbyterate is for men only. The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, and the Wisconsin Synod, along with Southern Baptists are very "Roman Catholic" on this matter (Sorry, I couldn't help it!). They agree with the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.
One church that I have a great appreciation and affinity toward, the Anglican Church in North America, is in the midst of an ongoing discernment period, as to whether they will ordain women, or not, and, if so, to what orders. Currently, there are parts of the ACNA that do not ordain women; parts that ordain them to the diaconate, only; and, parts that ordain them to the presbyterate. Nowhere in the ACNA do women serve in the episcopate.
However, those churches in the Wesleyan-holiness tradition have settled that question, long ago. In fact, even main-line Methodism eventually came to agree, wholeheartedly. My denomination, the Church of the Nazarene, has ordained women since even before our official denominational organization. That is, all of our primary parent churches ordained women from the beginning.
Recently, one of our general superintendents presented a video in which he provides a very important episcopal reminder about the role of women in ministry in the Church of the Nazarene. I encourage you to watch this video by the Rev'd. Dr. Jesse C. Middendorf, general superintendent, emeritus.
Jesse Midenddorf on acceptability of women in ministry from Church of the Nazarene on Vimeo.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Women In Ministry: A Wesleyan & Pentecostal Perspective
It is true, I'm not Pentecostal. I'm from that part of the Wesleyan tradition that has had a long history of . . . competitiveness with Pentecostals. - Oh, who am I kidding! Anyone who knows the history of the Holiness Movement and the Pentecostal Movement knows that they did not get along, to say the least. Nevertheless, the two traditions share many things in common, owing to their shared history. And, after many years of . . . difficulties, the academic wings, at least, of the two traditions have shared a number of regular interactions. This is most notably seen in the joint meetings of the Wesleyan Theological Society and the Society for Pentecostal Studies.
One issue about which the two groups seem to be on the same page is the issue of the place of women in ordained ministry.
I came across an article on this topic from a post on Facebook by theWesleyan Holiness Women Clergy. (Their Facebook page can be found, here.) The article entitled, "Was Paul For or Against Women in Ministry?" was posted in Enrichment Journal. It was written by Craig S. Keener, a professor of New Testament at Asbury Theological Seminary.
Given the fact that Wesleyan Anglicanism (i.e., those Wesleyans who embrace Wesley's Anglican liturgical and sacramental side, along with those Anglicans who embrace Wesley's general theological leanings) often find connections with those in the midst of the transition of Anglicanism in America (viz., folks in the ACNA, as well as some of the other "continuing" Anglican groups), and, given the fact that the role of women in (ordained) ministry is a major issue for many within the ACNA, I thought I would post a link to this article. It is also worth posting for those within the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition who, with their "conservative" evangelical emphasis, have sometimes been too influenced by "conservative" evangelicals from outside of our tradition.
Perhaps this article will be helpful to some who have, heretofore rejected women's orders. On the other hand, perhaps it will prove to fail to address other issues of which Pentecostals and Wesleyans are, as yet, unaware. In any case, I hope that the article is insightful. Though I have only skimmed through the article, I am confident that it shows that, at least for the Wesleyan-Holiness & Pentecostal traditions, the commitment to women's orders took place long before the "liberal" women's rights movement, and Wesleyans and Pentecostals looked to (not away from) the Scripture in order to support women in the role of clergy.
The article can be found, here.
One issue about which the two groups seem to be on the same page is the issue of the place of women in ordained ministry.
I came across an article on this topic from a post on Facebook by theWesleyan Holiness Women Clergy. (Their Facebook page can be found, here.) The article entitled, "Was Paul For or Against Women in Ministry?" was posted in Enrichment Journal. It was written by Craig S. Keener, a professor of New Testament at Asbury Theological Seminary.
Given the fact that Wesleyan Anglicanism (i.e., those Wesleyans who embrace Wesley's Anglican liturgical and sacramental side, along with those Anglicans who embrace Wesley's general theological leanings) often find connections with those in the midst of the transition of Anglicanism in America (viz., folks in the ACNA, as well as some of the other "continuing" Anglican groups), and, given the fact that the role of women in (ordained) ministry is a major issue for many within the ACNA, I thought I would post a link to this article. It is also worth posting for those within the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition who, with their "conservative" evangelical emphasis, have sometimes been too influenced by "conservative" evangelicals from outside of our tradition.
Perhaps this article will be helpful to some who have, heretofore rejected women's orders. On the other hand, perhaps it will prove to fail to address other issues of which Pentecostals and Wesleyans are, as yet, unaware. In any case, I hope that the article is insightful. Though I have only skimmed through the article, I am confident that it shows that, at least for the Wesleyan-Holiness & Pentecostal traditions, the commitment to women's orders took place long before the "liberal" women's rights movement, and Wesleyans and Pentecostals looked to (not away from) the Scripture in order to support women in the role of clergy.
The article can be found, here.
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